Any active R&R coaches still out there using the forum?

Discussion in 'About Offense' started by Ethan Baker, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Coach which link are you saying is not available? I just clicked on all of them and they seem to work for me?
  2. Coach Dib New Member

    Ok, so I'm thinking of using R&R principals in a different way. What do you think about an offense where every perimeter pass has 1) a cutter (layer 1, passer cuts to basket), and 2) a ball screen, where the player on the other side of the receiver sets the ball screen after the catch. It would create pressure on the D with both the cutter, and then the possible dribble attack. Screener can roll, or pop out to the open spot. I'm thinking a 4 out set, so if there isn't a player on the other side of (under) the receiver, the post would set the ball screen. Not sure how to use the dribble-at, possibly the cutter cuts back for the ball screen. Circle movement on the dribble drive (layer 4).

    Talk me out of this...
  3. ST1 Member

    Hello Sorry for the late Reply. it does seem this and any other R&R forum is dead, Clearly the hype is over. I haven't coached in 2 years since wining the championship, however i would not change my coaching strategy. The Beauty of the read and react offense is you have 5 players co-ordination. the curse of the read and react is you have 5 players passing and cutting with no attempt of scoring. in an attempt to drill to the point of habit players forget they need to score instead they try to execute the offense. and with a weak team these excessive passes will make alot of TURNOVERS. So with regards to your question.... it seems you want the variety of the read and react layers executed in one offensive possession. I think this is a really cool idea. but they likely hood that your players will be-able to recognize which layers have already been executed and goto the next on there own accord is very slim.

    What i always thought of doing with mini's is to actually make cue cards/flash cards( IE: Pass & Cut, Pass & Post, Dribble at, Pass and Cut set back screen, power dribble hand off etc(you can add your own instruction as long as it doesn't disrupt the read and react rotation) Mix em up an let them draw out of an hat (lets say you insert 9 flash cards and the player who doesnt get's a 2nd card must score. This would be cool because you offense would defiantly not look like a layer 1 read and react team.

    Now with high school & mens and as i have stated in a previous post. i would assign read and react layers to specific players.
    I was always to slow to cut hard so my goto move was always pass and go stand in the post. Depending on WHOM gave me the ball who determine the action i chose to use. If it was a speedster i would always give a laker high laker low pass. if it was a player who i didn't have confidence to score i would do a laker high/low PASS Fake and spin to the bucket and get the basket or a foul. if my 3 point specialist gave me the ball he always new to relocate for the 3. ETC. that way we had our players in the position that they was proficient.
    This can be achieved but giving players specific commands, if they dont follow the commands they cant be part of the rotation.

    With a team of 12 players i always had 3 superstars and i told them" When we practice we run the read and react every position, its there jobs to motivate players to believe in the system. but when its game time the chains come off for these 3 players and i let them hunt for themselves. So this we we have the rest of the team support our premier players in the score efforts. Nothing better than the worst player on the team giving a incredible assist(because her was drilled to the point of habit) to a player who is actually capable of finishing to the basket. I once had pretty much disabled kid pass and cut and go set a backscreen for a player who caught and alley hoop slam dunk off his action. How cool is that.


    Rant over hope that helped and we get some more comments on forum soon .


  4. ST1 Member

    Hello Sorry for the late Reply. it does seem this and any other R&R forum is dead, Clearly the hype is over. I haven't coached in 2 years since wining the championship, however i would not change my coaching strategy. The Beauty of the read and react offense is you have 5 players co-ordination. the curse of the read and react is you have 5 players passing and cutting with no attempt of scoring. in an attempt to drill to the point of habit players forget they need to score instead they try to execute the offense. and with a weak team these excessive passes will make alot of TURNOVERS. So with regards to your question.... it seems you want the variety of the read and react layers executed in one offensive possession. I think this is a really cool idea. but they likely hood that your players will be-able to recognize which layers have already been executed and goto the next on there own accord is very slim.

    What i always thought of doing with mini's is to actually make cue cards/flash cards( IE: Pass & Cut, Pass & Post, Dribble at, Pass and Cut set back screen, power dribble hand off etc(you can add your own instruction as long as it doesn't disrupt the read and react rotation) Mix em up an let them draw out of an hat (lets say you insert 9 flash cards and the player who doesnt get's a 2nd card must score. This would be cool because you offense would defiantly not look like a layer 1 read and react team.

    Now with high school & mens and as i have stated in a previous post. i would assign read and react layers to specific players.
    I was always to slow to cut hard so my goto move was always pass and go stand in the post. Depending on WHOM gave me the ball who determine the action i chose to use. If it was a speedster i would always give a laker high laker low pass. if it was a player who i didn't have confidence to score i would do a laker high/low PASS Fake and spin to the bucket and get the basket or a foul. if my 3 point specialist gave me the ball he always new to relocate for the 3. ETC. that way we had our players in the position that they was proficient.
    This can be achieved but giving players specific commands, if they dont follow the commands they cant be part of the rotation.

    With a team of 12 players i always had 3 superstars and i told them" When we practice we run the read and react every position, its there jobs to motivate players to believe in the system. but when its game time the chains come off for these 3 players and i let them hunt for themselves. So this we we have the rest of the team support our premier players in the score efforts. Nothing better than the worst player on the team giving a incredible assist(because her was drilled to the point of habit) to a player who is actually capable of finishing to the basket. I once had pretty much disabled kid pass and cut and go set a backscreen for a player who caught and alley hoop slam dunk off his action. How cool is that.


    Rant over hope that helped and we get some more comments on forum soon .


  5. Coach Dib New Member

    Thanks for the thoughts. I just got Don Kelbick's motion offense DVD, and I can see mixing his stuff into the R&R. He's big on players knowing their roles, and doing what they do best. It's a good idea, though player growth is important, especially as a JV coach. Like you, I love it when a player makes a great pass that gives us an open shot, and I really try to highlight that to them, and the team, to encourage more of the same. One of our biggest issues is actually running things too quickly. Players get the pass, and then pass again too fast, so that they miss cutters, and don't give fillers time to read the D and play off of it. We try and preach patience with the ball while also looking to attack, but it's not easy. Many of our players are not very experienced, and I think they don't like in-your-face defensive pressure, and want to get rid of the ball as soon as they can.

    We have 7 games coming up right after break, and then a week of now games before the last few of the season. If we are still struggling, we may put in this cut/screen version, at least to see if it is viable, and produces good looks at the basket.

    Thanks for your input.

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